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Friday, October 19, 2007

Genealogue Challenge #75

Martha Raye died on this date in 1994.

What was her maternal grandmother's maiden name?

MFraser

Martha Raye was born Margaret Teresa Yvonne Reed, to Parents Peter Reed and Maybelle Hooper.

Her birth certificate is here which states that her mother was born in Montana and her father in England

The NY Times obituary for Martha Raye gives her mother's name as Peggy Hooper and says her parents were Irish immigrants, which is contradicted by the 1920 Census here
Which shows Mabelle H Reed on line 51,age 32 born in Montana,married at age 16, with parents born in Michigan. (this calculates her DOB to 1898)

Margaret (Martha) and her brother Buddy are on lines 79 and 78 respectively.
Peter Reed is on line 50 of the preceding page, with a notation that he, is age 34, born in MT, with first marriage at age 20. (DOB calculates to 1896.)

This residence,648 N.Dearborn street in Chicago, is apparently a theatrical boardinghouse or hotel, judging from the number of individuals in the profession living there
Still looking for Maybelle's mother's name.

deb

Well, I think I followed this one down a rat hole....

Actually found Martha Raye's birth certificate online:
http://www.colonelmaggie.com/images/BirthCertificate.jpg
This again said her mother was a Hooper and that her Mom's name was Maybell. Father Peter F Reed.

I found references to the siblings of Martha as Bud and Melodye (also her daughters' name).

I found a Melodye Reed listed as a grandchild of Jacob Kleinhans in Cascade Co MT in 1930. In the 1910 Cascade Co MT census, Jacob had a daughter named Mabelle living with him and his second wife. (coincidence or the cause of my rat hole?) I couldn't find a Hooper I liked, so I followed the Kleinhans. An older child was born in Michigan, so I found Jacob's first wife was Mary. Both Mary and Jacob were born in Germany, and Mary supposedly arrived in this country in 1876. Which leaves me to the final tunnel in my rat hole - in trying to find a maiden name for this non-Hooper Kleinhans family wife, the Mary born in Germany closest to the age of this Mary in Michigan, was Mary Staals in the 1880 Portage, Houghton Co MI census.

I hope someone found the Hoopers - wow, that was a long, wrong way trip, but I decided to post it anyway to show my Friday night entertainment!!
Deb

NevadaGenealogist

This is just a guess.
Theresa Kleinhaus?

Chris

All three of you have found important clues, but one remains to be found.

Here are a couple more hints:

1) Martha's birth certificate is correct about her mother's name.

2) Maybe Maybelle Hooper wasn't called Maybelle Hooper in 1900 or 1910.

MFraser

There is a Hazel Hooper, born in MT at the right time, daughter of Samuel and Theresa, who are both born in Michigan.


Hazel Hooper

It's possible that somehow Hazel was elided to Maybelle, but I can't find a confirmation of that, but I think it's worthy of note that Maybelle did appear in the census as Maybelle H. Reed, although this may simply stand for Hooper.

Chris

Hmm, you may be on to something there...

deb

Two theories. Jacob's second wife was Theresa. A Theresa matching her age and birthplace was married to a Hooper in the 1900 census:

1900 Great Falls Cascade Co Montana Census
325 33 Hooper, Samuel head w m Aug 1870 29 m 5 MI England MI Day laborer
, Theresa wife f Nov 1875 24 m 5 2 2 MI Ger France
, Florence dau w f Feb 1896 4 s MT MI MI
, Hazel dau w f Aug 1896 3 s MT MI MI

Unless I'm reading the years wrong, the children are much too young to be Mabell, however Mabell appears as Mabell H in the 1920 Chicago Census (which could be Hazel). If Samuel died, and Theresa married Jacob that would explain why the Mabell appears as a daughter to Jacob Kleinhans in 1910.

Second theory was that Mabell was a sister to Samuel Hooper. I think this is Samuel in Michigan:

1870 Huron, Houghton Co MI Census
86 70 Hooper, Samuel 29 m w Miner England
, Mary 25 f w keeping house England?
, Mary I 3 f w MI
,Samuel 1 m w MI

which is the SAME county that Jacob Kleinhans was from, but I don't find this family in Montana so can't place a Mabell with them.

My kingdom for marriage or birth records in Montana!!!
Deb

MFraser

1905 census has Jacob and Theresa Kleinhaus, living in Wisconsin, with daughters Florence, MABEL and Dorothy.

This is looking more and more like our family.

Kleinhaus 1905

MFraser

Dorothy Kleinhaus was born Dec 1901 in Milwaukee, WI.

Anyone have access to Milwaukee birth records??

Chris

Deb, I like your first theory, and at least part of your second. The answer does lie in Houghton County, Michigan.

deb

The Samuel Hooper listed in the 1870 census was a miner, and I found an entry on the Houghton USGENWEB site of a Samuel Hooper dying in a mining accident 23 Nov 1871, leaving 2 children (Portage Lake Mining Gazette), so that leaves little Mary and Samuel on their own with mom Mary, so Samuel (the son) could have married before Theresa, but I'm throwing in the towel. Mabell has eluded me.
Hope someone can take any of this info and solve the mystery.
Deb

MFraser

If the Hazel Hooper from 1905 is indeed our Maybelle, then that tells us that her grandparents were born in France and Germany.

Taking your clue that Houghton, MI is signficant, I went looking for a Theresa born about 1875 in Houghton, with parent from France and Germany.

There are a couple of close matches: Theresa Sausergren , right name, right age, right place. Her parent's origins are reported as France and Alsace (which swung between France and Germany).

Also Theresa Bernung, whose parents are both recorded as being from Elsass (Alsace), although her DOB is 1868, which is a bit early for our speculations.


Others on the short list are
Theresa Krelintz, both parents from Saxony
Theresa Blasing, both parents from Germany,
Theresa Pinkleman, both parents from Prussia.


But I can't find any concrete evidence to tie any of these to Samuel or Hazel/Maybelle.

Chris

Time to consult the IGI, I think...

MFraser

IGI reports a marriage of
Theresa Sanusehagrin
to Samuel Hooper,26 JUN 1894 Hancock, Houghton, Michigan

Her father is named Anton, mother recorded as unknown.

The Theresa Sausergren of the previous post had a father named Anthony, so I think we've got the same individual.

Chris

Only one more step!

"Sanusehagrin" and "Sausergren" look like misspellings or mistranscriptions to me. How should the name be spelled?

Drew Smith

I'm thinking "Sanschagrin".

In the 1910 and 1920 census, Mary Sanschagrin is living in Houghton County, Michigan with her daughter Elizabeth and her son-in-law.

Chris

I think you're right. It's the French translation of "Hakuna Matata."

deb

So does that make Hazel the same person as Maybell? The dates don't seem to work. The Mabell Reed on the Chicago census would have been born around 1888; the Mabell living with Theresa and Jacob Kleinhans would have been born around 1892, and Hazel is August 1896. Of course, we KNOW how accurate census records can be.... [not]
Deb

Chris

That Chicago census is actually from 1930, so the age of 32 also fits. I haven't found the family in the 1920 census.

deb

You're right. I had written 1920, but it WAS 1930. Looks like a plausible circumstantial case for Hazel being Mabelle.
Deb

Chris

"Plausible" and "circumstantial" describe most of my genealogical conclusions.

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