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Saturday, November 03, 2007

Genealogue Challenge #85

Doug sent in a couple of challenges in honor of tomorrow's Patriots-Colts matchup.

How many slaves did Peyton Manning's father's father's father's father's father own in 1860?

Half-time. Open a fresh bag of Doritos, and use the restroom if necessary.

Bill Belichick's paternal grandfather claimed in his naturalization papers to have arrived on the ship La Lorraine between April 13 and April 19 of 1900. Can this claim be substantiated?

Becky

Go Colts! ;-)

Chris

Becky, let's remember that my family has lived in New England for four centuries. In short, GO PATS!

NevadaGenealogist

Part#1 = 10
This presumes that I counted the correct # of greats, and Elisha Manning is the slave holding ancestory in Miss.

Part#2 = NO
The maiden voyage of the La Lorraine was 11 Aug 1900. I have not yet checked the Steve Morse site for the actual immigrant ship.

Becky

I figured as much :(
My family has been in Indiana for a few generations, and I was here when the Colts arrived! Go Peyton, GO COLTS!

Doogles McQuig

I'm with ya Becky. The New York Daily News says today's game is a battle of good and evil.

Chris

Hmmm, Patriots are evil, huh? I have no choice but to report you to the Department of Homeland Security. Have fun at Gitmo.

Doogles McQuig

The key for me in tracing the Manning line back was finding the given name of Peyton's grandfather, Buddy Manning, who committed suicide in 1969. At the time, Peyton's father Archie was a star quarterback at Mississippi. The article at NewspaperArchives gives Buddy's name as Elisha Archibald Manning. With that in hand, tracing back through the census was fairly easy. The paternal lineage is: Peyton, Archie, Elisha, Elisha, Richard, Elisha.

Elisha Manning, of Crystal Springs, Copiah County, MS in 1860 had ten slaves:

20
Male
Black

28
Female
Black

27
Female
Mulatto

20
Female
black
 
19
Male
Black

6
Female
Black

4
Female

4
Male

2
Male
Black

Male

Doogles McQuig

Footnote has Ivan Bilicic's naturalization papers and they indicate he came to America between April 13 and April of 1900 on the ship La Lorraine. At the time of his petition in 1915, Ivan was living with his family in Monessen, Westmoreland County, PA. His wife is Mary and his children (all born at Monessen) are Annie, born Jan 17 1907, Frank, born April 5, 1909, and Joseph, born Feb 21, 1912. Ivan was born in Dragami, Croatia-Hungary in 1878.

From this data, Ivan can be traced to the 1920 census in Monessen as John Bilicich age 41. The record indicates he immigrated in 1901, not 1900. Wife Mary and children Frank, Joseph, John and Stephen (Bill's father) are each listed.

In 1930, the family is in Mahoning County, Ohio, as John, Mary, Frank, Joe, John, and Stephen Belichick, Again, the census lists John's date of immigration as 1901.

Becky

Alas, the Colts choked; "evil" triumphs once again - congrats to all the fans of the Pats.

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