tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post3997666546716947257..comments2007-09-10T23:31:15.847-04:00Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01386406270744275223noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-84279404460359022852007-09-10T19:00:00.000-04:002007-09-10T19:00:00.000-04:002007-09-10T19:00:00.000-04:00Thanks to deb for giving the step-by-step of her search.kachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17269203233353576287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-50084886513120067112007-09-07T22:12:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:12:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:12:00.000-04:00Solomon Tim was born in Alabama. He moved to NY and became a successful clothing manufacturer.<BR/><BR/>J. Henry Rothschild was born in Alabama and also migrated with family to NYC. His brother, Martin, (the one we learned went down on the Titanic) was also a successful clothing manufacturer.<BR/><BR/>Apparently both families were of German/Jewish descent.<BR/><BR/>I'm mostly familiar with the migration paths from New England to the Midwest and West; also from VA to KY to the Midwest.<BR/><BR/>I was not so aware of the migration path from Germany to ALABAMA to New York. Maybe the port of Mobile was the initial draw.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I learned something new today. Thanks, Chris (and John!)Doogles McQuighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17168178461309337215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-44078116495056098172007-09-07T21:37:00.000-04:002007-09-07T21:37:00.000-04:002007-09-07T21:37:00.000-04:00Good job, folks. Charles and Jennie (Tim) Schafer were indeed married on 20 Dec. 1899 (also indexed <A HREF="http://www.italiangen.org/NYCBrides.stm" REL="nofollow">here</A>). The <A HREF="http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi" REL="nofollow">California Death Index</A> confirms her mother's maiden name.<BR/><BR/>Both the Schafers and the Tims were wealthy families, though perhaps not in the same league as Thurston J. Howell III.Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01386406270744275223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-29147881006706440062007-09-07T20:25:00.000-04:002007-09-07T20:25:00.000-04:002007-09-07T20:25:00.000-04:00I could not find the exact day but Jennie Tim married Charles Schafer in Dec 1899, according to her brother Louis's marriage announcement in 1900.<BR/><BR/>Jennie's father was:<BR/>Solomon Tim.Judyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02221827765632245840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-51246541128195434112007-09-07T18:34:00.001-04:002007-09-07T18:34:00.001-04:002007-09-07T18:34:00.001-04:00Marriage of Charles Emanual Schafer and Jennie Elizabeth Lim 20 Dec 1899 Manhattan, NY NY<BR/>Paternal Granddparents Samuel M Lim and Sophie Schwab<BR/><BR/>1. Found Natalie in the 1910 Manhattan NY NY Census<BR/>Parents, Charles and Jennie Schafer, had been married 10 years.<BR/>2. Found Charles and Jennie living with brother-in-law in 1900 Manhattan NY NY Census.<BR/>Census was taken 2 Jun 1900.<BR/>Charles and Jennie listed that they'd been married 6 months.<BR/>3. Started looking for NY marriage records.<BR/>Found an IGI marriage extract from NY records as shown above.<BR/>Another UNVERIFIED record shows the parents of Jennie, therefore the maternal grandparents of Natalie<BR/>would be the above listed Lim/Schwab folks.debhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05362011861463622240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-52142793015585380732007-09-07T18:34:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:34:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:34:00.000-04:00Found archived 1915 NYT article that ties the marriage of Solomon Tim's daughter to the son of Samuel Schafer. (Kids' first names not mentioned.) Charles Schafer is listed as a son of Samuel in 1880, as is sister Mamie, with whom both Charles & Jennie Schafer are living in 1900. Case closed.Doogles McQuighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17168178461309337215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-67651244506506086412007-09-07T18:28:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:28:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:28:00.000-04:00Charles Emanual Schafer married Jennie Elizabeth Lim 20 Dec 1899 Manhattan, NY NY<BR/><BR/>Paternal Grandparents Samuel M Lim and Sophie Schwab (strictly a guess from unverified data found)<BR/><BR/>Process:<BR/>1. Found Natalie in the 1910 Manhattan NY Census - parents Charles and Jennie. Listed as having been married 10 years<BR/>2. Found Charles & Jennie living with brother-in-law in 1900 Manhattan Census. Showed they'd been married 6 months and the census was taken on 2 June 1900<BR/>3. Started looking for online marriage records. Found an IGI extraction of NY Marriage records with the above data. I haven't found Jennie listed as a daughter of a Samuel and Sophie Schwab Lim, so that data is suspect.debhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05362011861463622240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-84074643226952758902007-09-07T18:15:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:15:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:15:00.000-04:00The wedding was 20 Dec. 1899 at Delmonico's. whewTexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17432175759270143492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-51195317605368849282007-09-07T18:14:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:14:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:14:00.000-04:00For grandpa, I'm going to go with Solomon Tim, shirtmaker (etc.), though I can't prove it.Doogles McQuighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17168178461309337215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-74078394076547112472007-09-07T16:22:00.000-04:002007-09-07T16:22:00.000-04:002007-09-07T16:22:00.000-04:00Solomon Teim/Tim is her maternal grandfather's name. Still looking for the marriage date of her parents. It's gotta be about 1899-1900 based on the 1910 census, but where?<BR/><BR/>Still lookingTexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17432175759270143492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-10012930203621314642007-09-07T14:56:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:56:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:56:00.000-04:00Charles Schafer married Jennie Tim on December 20, 1899 in Manhattan.Doogles McQuighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17168178461309337215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13196976.post-20663644169199339932007-09-07T14:24:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:24:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:24:00.000-04:00According to the American Jewish Archives, her maternal grandfather was Solomon Tim. Her mother, Jennie (Jane) Tim married Charles E. Schafer. <BR/><BR/>According to the December 10, 1899 issue of the New York Times, this marriage was to take place at Delmonico's at 6:30pm on December 20.Drew Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12537180168534039546noreply@blogger.com